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Nicolas Bernard
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Etonnant que l'ami Kaisou n'y ait pas pens�, mais il y a cent-cinq ans et quelques jours - le 20 juin 1900 - �clatait l'insurrection chinoise dite des "boxers", qui fut loin d'�tre short (d�sol�) puisqu'elle tenta d'assi�ger les ambassades europ�ennes de P�kin pendant pr�s de deux mois. Belle mani�re pour la Chine d'ouvrir le nouveau si�cle, en attendant de l'achever par Tian An Men.
Plus ou moins appuy�s par un Empire chinois agonisant, les "Poings de Justice" ne parviendront pas, en d�pit de leur fanatisme et de leur nombre, � l'emporter contre les l�gations occidentales prot�g�es par une petite troupe d'�lite, bien command�e, et surtout unie. L'arriv�e des renforts le 14 ao�t 1900, sauvera de justesse les assi�g�s, et la monarchie chinoise ne se remettra jamais de cette crise.
L'�v�nement a beaucoup fait parler de lui � l'�poque, mais aurait sans doute sombr� dans l'oubli si Hollywood ne s'�tait empar� de l'affaire pour en accoucher d'un film tr�s romanc�, quoique spectaculaire : Les 55 jours de P�kin (inoubliable Charlton Heston enseignant des rudiments de mandarin � ses marines, sans parler de l'ignoble Prince Tuan).
Le lecteur int�ress� pourra consulter � profit - une fois n'est pas coutume - l'ouvrage de Jean Mabire intitul� L'�t� rouge de P�kin - la R�volte des Boxers, �dit� chez Fayard et au Livre de Poche.
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| Etonnant que l'ami Kaisou n'y ait pas pens� |
Forc�ment que l'ami Kaisou ne pouvait y penser, priv� qu'il �tait � cette p�riode de tout mat�riel informatique en bon ordre de bataille, heu de marche pardon... 
Pour compl�ter ton intervention, un petit lien vers une page bien document�e reprenant cet �pisode dramatique de r�volte anti-Occidentale du tout d�but du Si�cle � P�kin.
La R�volte des Boxers
Pour en revenir au film "Les 55 jours de P�kin" ,il est clairement romanc�, il n'emp�che que je me le revoie toujours avec un certain plaisir, surtout avec le Prince Tuan, ignoble � souhait comme j'aime 
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Nicolas Bernard
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| Ecrit le: Jul 7 2005, 10:39 PM |
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L'ignoble Prince Tuan, en effet, qui assumera devant l'Histoire le fait d'avoir clairement choisi son camp, au contraire de moult proches de l'Imp�ratrice, voire de l'Imp�ratrice elle-m�me, qui soutiendront les Boxers mais resteront dans l'ombre. Tuan sera, par la suite, sacrifi� par la Cit� Interdite pour donner le change aux Occidentaux, l'Imp�ratrice pr�tendant avoir �t� abus�e par ce conseiller ambitieux. Tuan sera accus� de haute trahison et perdra ses titres imp�riaux.
La Princesse Der Ling, fille d'un haut-responsable mandchou, �lev�e � l'occidentale, a assist� l'Imp�ratrice dans les derni�res ann�es de sa vie. Elle a relat� les confidences de cette derni�re dans ses M�moires parus en 1911, � propos de la r�volte des Boxers. M�me � l'heure o� son r�gne prend fin, la ma�tresse de l'Empire du Milieu s'acharne � accabler le Prince Tuan :
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I hate to mention about that affair and I would not like to have foreigners ask my people questions on that subject. Do you know, I have often thought that I am the most clever woman that ever lived and others cannot compare with me.
Although I have heard much about Queen Victoria and read a part of her life which someone has translated into Chinese, still I don't think her life was half so interesting and eventful as mine. My life is not finished yet and no one knows what is going to happen in the future. I may surprise the foreigners some day with something extraordinary and do something quite contrary to anything I have yet done. England is one of great powers of the world, but this has not been brought about by Queen Victoria's absolute rule. She had the able men of parliament back of her at all times and of course they discussed everything until the best result was obtained, then she would sign the necessary documents and really had nothing to say about the policy of the country.
Now look at me. I have 400,000,000 people, all dependent on my judgment. Although I have the Grand Council to consult with, they only look after the different appointments, but anything of an important nature I must decide myself. What does the Emperor know? I have been very successful so far, but I never dreamt that the Boxer movement would end with such serious results for China. That is the only mistake I have made in my life. I should have issued an Edict at once to stop the Boxers practising their belief, but both Prince Tuan and Duke Lan told me that they firmly believed the Boxers were sent by Heaven to enable China to get rid of all the undesirable and hated foreigners.
Of course they meant mostly missionaries, and you know how I hate them and how very religious I always am, so I thought I would not say anything then but would wait and see what would happen. I felt sure they were going too far as one day Prince Tuan brought the Boxer leader to the Summer Palace and summoned all the eunuchs into the courtyard of the Audience Hall and examined each eunuch on the head to see if there was a cross. He said, `This cross is not visible to you, but I can identify a Christian by finding a cross on the head.'
Prince Tuan then came to my private Palace and told me that the Boxer leader was at the Palace Gate and had found two eunuchs who were Christians and asked me what was to be done. I immediately became very angry and told him that he had no right to bring any Boxers to the Palace without my permission; but he said this leader was so powerful that he was able to kill all the foreigners and was not afraid of the foreign guns, as all the gods were protecting him. Prince Tuan told me that he had witnessed this himself. A Boxer shot another with a revolver and the bullet hit him, but did not harm him in the least. Then Prince Tuan suggested that I hand these two eunuchs supposed to be Christians to the Boxer leader, which I did. I heard afterwards that these two eunuchs were beheaded right in the country somewhere near here. This chief Boxer came to the Palace the next day, accompanied by Prince Tuan and Duke Lan, to make all the eunuchs burn incense sticks to prove that they were not Christians. After that Prince Tuan also suggested that we had better let the chief Boxer come every day and teach the eunuchs their belief; that nearly all of Peking was studying with the Boxers.
The next day I was very much surprised to see all my eunuchs dressed as Boxers. They wore red jackets, red turbans and yellow trousers. I was sorry to see all my attendants discard their official robes and wear a funny costume like that. Duke Lan presented me with a suit of Boxer clothes. At that time Yung Lu, who was the head of the Grand Council, was ill and asked leave of absence for a month. While he was sick, I used to send one of the eunuchs to see him every day, and that day the eunuch returned and informed me that Yung Lu was quite well and would come to the Palace the next day, although he still had fifteen days more leave. I was puzzled to know why he should give up the balance of his leave. However, I was very anxious to see him, as I wished to consult him about this chief Boxer. Yung Lu looked grieved when he learned what had taken place at the Palace, and said that these Boxers were nothing but revolutionaries and agitators. They were trying to get the people to help them to kill the foreigners, but he was very much afraid the result would be against the Government.
I told him that probably he was right, and asked him what should be done. He told me that he would talk to Prince Tuan, but the next day Prince Tuan told me that he had had a fight with Yung Lu about the Boxer question, and said that all of Peking had become Boxers, and if we tried to turn them, they would do all they could to kill everyone in Peking, including the Court; that they (the Boxer party) had the day selected to kill all the foreign representatives; that Tung Fou Hsiang, a very conservative General and one of the Boxers, had promised to bring his troops out to help the Boxers to fire on the Legations. When I heard this I was very much worried and anticipated serious trouble, so I sent for Yung Lu at once and kept Prince Tuan with me. Yung Lu came, looking very much worried, and he was more so after I had told him what the Boxers were going to do. He immediately suggested that I should issue an Edict, saying that these Boxers were a secret society and that no one should believe their teaching, and to instruct the Generals of the nine gates to drive all the Boxers out of the city at once.
When Prince Tuan heard this he was very angry and told Yung Lu that if such an Edict was issued, the Boxers would come to the Court and kill everybody. When Prince Tuan told me this, I thought I had better leave everything to him. After he left the Palace, Yung Lu said that Prince Tuan was absolutely crazy and that he was sure these Boxers would be the cause of a great deal of trouble. Yung Lu also said that Prince Tuan must be insane to be helping the Boxers to destroy the Legations; that these Boxers were a very common lot, without education, and they imagined the few foreigners in China were the only ones on the earth and if they were killed it would be the end of them. They forgot how very strong these foreign countries are, and that if the foreigners in China were all killed, thousands would come to avenge their death.
Yung Lu assured me that one foreign soldier could kill one hundred Boxers without the slightest trouble, and begged me to give him instructions to order General Nieh, who was afterwards killed by the Boxers, to bring his troops to protect the Legations. Of course I gave him this instruction at once, and also told him that he must see Prince Tuan at once and Duke Lan to tell them that this was a very serious affair and that they had better not interfere with Yung Lu's plans. Matters became worse day by day and Yung Lu was the only one against the Boxers, but what could one man accomplish against so many?
One day Prince Tuan and Duke Lan came and asked me to issue an Edict ordering the Boxers to kill all the Legation people first and then all remaining foreigners. I was very angry and refused to issue this Edict. After we had talked a very long time, Prince Tuan said that this must be done without delay, for the Boxers were getting ready to fire on the Legations and would do so the very next day. I was furious and ordered several of the eunuchs to drive him out, and he said as he was going out: `If you refuse to issue that Edict, I will do it for you whether you are willing or not,' and he did.
After that you know what happened. He issued these Edicts unknown to me and was responsible for a great many deaths. He found that he could not carry his plans through and heard that the foreign troops were not very far from Peking. He was so frightened that he made us all leave Peking." As she finished saying this, she started to cry, and I told her that I felt very sorry for her. She said: "You need not feel sorry for me for what I have gone through; but you must feel sorry that my fair name is ruined. That is the only mistake I have made in my whole life and it was done in a moment of weakness. Before I was just like a piece of pure jade; everyone admired me for what I have done for my country, but the jade has a flaw in it since this Boxer movement and it will remain there to the end of my life. I have regretted many, many times that I had such confidence in, and believed that wicked Prince Tuan; he was responsible for everything. |
A dire vrai, une telle na�vet� de l'Imp�ratrice devant les arguments du Prince Tuan para�t difficilement admissible, au vu de l'ind�niable intelligence politique dont elle a su faire preuve au cours de sa longue vie. En ce sens, le film Les 55 jours de P�kin avait sans doute fort bien cern� le personnage.
Il faut en effet savoir que le mouvement des Boxers �tait, outre anti-occidental, hostile � la Monarchie. L'id�e d'une R�publique se r�pandait dans les esprits. La Cit� Interdite se devait de composer avec un mouvement de plus en plus incontr�lable. Les Gouverneurs des province avaient incit� les Boxers � s'en prendre aux chr�tiens : le Prince Tuan irait plus loin, plaidant la cause des Boxers aupr�s de l'Imp�ratrice. Il convenait en effet de r�cup�rer au profit de l'Empire un mouvement puissant, de nature � faire pression sur les envahisseurs occidentaux. Un pari qui scellera le sort de la dynastie imp�riale des Qing.
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Nicolas Bernard
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A noter que l'exp�dition occidentale a �t� film�e, et rien moins que par... Thomas Edison - suffit d'aller sur ce site.
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Nicolas Bernard
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| Ecrit le: Jul 7 2005, 10:51 PM |
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Le t�moignage de Mgr. Favier, pr�sent dans le quartier des l�gations au moment du si�ge, est �galement en ligne : http://www.famvin.org/fr/missions/FAVIER/B...iegeJOURNAL.htm
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| Ecrit le: Jul 7 2005, 10:54 PM |
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Edifiant comme article, vraiment �difiant pour le pauvre Tuan..
Nous n'allons pas tarder � passer tr�s bient�t � autre chose, du genre Gravelotte, Metz, Saint Privat, Sedan, Mars-la-Tour, Reischoffen, Borny, Wissembourg....
Alors pr�pares ton Chassepot pendant que j'affute mon Dreyse...
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Nicolas Bernard
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| Ecrit le: Jul 7 2005, 10:56 PM |
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"Il ne me manque pas un bouton de gu�tre"...
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| Ecrit le: Jul 7 2005, 11:01 PM |
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Sacr� Mar�chal Le Boeuf, toujours le mot pour rire, n'emp�che qu'il l'a regrett� longtemps cette phrase malheureuse...un peu dans le m�me style du "Nous vaincrons, car nous sommes les plus forts" ... 
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Nicolas Bernard
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| Ecrit le: Jul 7 2005, 11:04 PM |
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Il faut reconna�tre � Leboeuf qu'il savait manier la langue.
Une phrase, effectivement, entr�e depuis au Panth�on des grandes bourdes historiques.
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Remarquable sagacit�...
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William
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| Ecrit le: Jan 21 2006, 05:38 PM |
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Comme on disait � une �poque que les moins de quatre-vingt ans ne peuvent pas connaitre, vous avez un avis certain dans le music-hall tous les deux. Apr�s Serrault-Poiret, les Fr�res Ennemis, Eric et Ramzy, � quand Kaisou & Nico ? |
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Damned, on est d�masqu�s...
Bon, on se produit au Caveau de la Bol�e. D�j� 5 repr�sentations annul�es.
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| QUOTE (William @ Jan 21 2006, 05:38 PM) |
| Apr�s Serrault-Poiret, les Fr�res Ennemis, Eric et Ramzy, � quand Kaisou & Nico ? |
C'est vrai que nous avons une forte propension aux private joke, ins�parrables sur les espaces de discussions tout comme de vrais amis dans la vie La magie des forums sans doute...
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