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William
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| Ecrit le: Apr 17 2005, 05:28 PM |
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In The eye of History de William Law est surement le livre le plus interessant publi� ces derniers temps sur l'assassinat de JFK. Ainsi, ce passage sur la blessure du dos et le "c�l�bre" �pisode o� Humes utilise son doigt pour en tester la profondeur. Paul O'Connor d�taille ici la r�action -outrag�e- des personnes pr�sentes et -surtout- ce qui se passa par la suite ( les passages en gras sont de moi) :
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Finally we turned the body over, and there was a bullet wound�an entrance wound�in his back, on the right side of his spinal column. To emphasize where it was in proximity to the rest of his body: if you bend your neck down and feel back, you feel a lump and that�s the seventh cervical vertebra. This bullet wound was about 3 inches down and an inch or two to the right of the seventh cervical vertebra. I remember there was a big gush of surprise that nobody actually thought about turning him over right away, you know after we had done our initial investigation of the president�s body. Dr Humes took his finger and poked it in the hole---the bullet wound hole, the entrance wound hole---and said it didn�t go anywhere. There was a very big argument, a lot of consternation, that he shouldn�t have stuck his finger in the hole.
Law: What difference would it make?
O�Connor: Well, when you take your finger and stick it into a bullet wound, you avulse the wound.
Law: You think that happened when he stuck his finger in the back?
O�Connor: Yes
Law: It could have create a false track:
O�Connor: Well, not necessarily a false track as much as a false impression of the entrance of the missile that went into his back.
Law: Who was arguing ?
O�Connor: Dr Finck strongly objected to Commander Humes doing what he did.He(Finck) took a sound, which is a probe, a metal malleable, non rigid probe. We started out with a rigid probe and found that it only went in so far. I�d say maybe an inch and a quarter. It didn�t go in any further than that. So we used a malleable probe and bent it a little bit and found that the bullet entered the body, went through the intercostals muscles---the muscles between the ribs. The bullet went in through the muscles, didn�t touch any of the ribs, arched downwards, hit the back of the pleural cavity and stopped. So we didn�t know the track of the bullet until we eviscerated the body later. That�s what happened at the time. We traced the bullet path down and found that it didn�t traverse the body. It did not go in one side and come out the other side of the body.
Law: You can be reasonably sure of that?
O�Connor: Absolutely
Law: And these doctors knew that?
O�Connor: Absolutely
Law: While it happened?
O�Connor: Absolutely. And another thing we found out while the autopsy was proceeding, that he was shot from a high building, which meant the bullet had to be traveling in a downward trajectory and we also realized that this bullet is what we call in the military a �short shot�. It didn�t have the power to push the projectile clear through the body. If it had�it would have come out through his heart and through his sternum.
O�Connor: We were told(in the report of the Warren Commission) that he was shot in the back and it came out his throat. That didn�t jibe with what we saw, and when I say we, I�m talking about Dr. Boswell and myself.
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Nicolas Bernard
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| Ecrit le: Apr 22 2005, 12:01 PM |
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Euh... Et tu en penses quoi ?
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Jin-Tae (Nicolas Bernard en Cor�en), Fr�re de Sang de Jin-Suk (Kaisou en Cor�en)
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simas
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| Ecrit le: Apr 22 2005, 11:41 PM |
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Perso, je pense que les gens de la commission warren sont rest� quelque peu prudent � ce sujet.
En effet, il semblerait qu'ils aient dit que l'hypoth�se de la balle unique �tait la plus plausible � leurs yeux, et je pense qu'ils se sont gard� d'affirmer que c'�tait une th�se ir�ffutable. Et pour cause!
D�s lors que l'autopsie n'a pas �t� men�e � son terme, il n'�tait pas possible d'�tayer une quelconque th�se d'un point de vue scientifique. Finalement qu'avons nous de l'autopsie? Quelques photos tr�s controvers�es, des croquis plus ou moins cr�dibles et parfois m�me contradictoires, des radios qui n'apportent que peu d'informations, etc...
Alors que reste-t-il de l'autopsie de JF Kennedy? Que des incertitudes comme pour l'ensemble de cette affaire du m�me nom.
Concernant les medecins, je voulais ajouter que leur comp�tence est ici �trang�re � la qualit� de l'autopsie, car on sait qu'ils ont �t� brid� de bout en bout, et n'ont put de la sorte mener a bien cette autopsie, car on ne leur en a pas laiss� le choix.
Alors discuter de l'autopsie, on pourrait le faire pendant des ann�es, mais �a restera une discussion st�rile.
Pourtant, tout aurait �t� plus simple et radical, si l'autopsie avait pu librement d�terminer les trajectoires des diff�rentes balles dans le corps de Kennedy. Malheureusement ce ne fut pas le cas. A qui la faute? |
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Nicolas Bernard
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| Ecrit le: Apr 23 2005, 10:16 PM |
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Certes, certes, mais je ne vois toujours pas ce qu'apporte le t�moignage d'O'Connor. William, tu voulais montrer quoi, au juste ?
Nota. A qui la faute, Simas ? Les partisans du Rapport Warren vous r�pondront : la famille Kennedy. Qui, effectivement, a transmis des directives aux l�gistes militaires. Ce faisant, lesdits partisans dudit Rapport "oublient" que la cha�ne de commandement �tait infiniment plus bord�lique, et que d'autres grad�s ont �galement donn� leurs propres instructions.
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Jin-Tae (Nicolas Bernard en Cor�en), Fr�re de Sang de Jin-Suk (Kaisou en Cor�en)
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